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It was a Tuesday afternoon.

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Almost none of the commentary I’ve read on The Good Wife season 5 finale has talked about Kalinda’s thoughts and feelings, which just highlights how little effort the show put into showing her thoughts and feelings. She was just a prop to be pimped out by Diane and abused by Cary,…

I agree that the writers needed to show that Cary was hurt and upset, and that was where that scene came from. But The Good Wife doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The writers chose to show Cary’s hurt and anger in a way that’s over-done and poorly-done. Sexual violence/aggression toward women is often something shows fall back on when they need to show a male character being ‘edgy’ or ‘dark’. It’s a culmination of terrible writing decisions - the writers never showed their relationship as anything other than sexual, leaving them no other way to show Cary’s anger. Kalinda’s response struck me as terribly off - you’re right in saying that’s not how sex worked between them, but she didn’t know what was going on or why he flipped out like that, yet she took no steps to protect herself. Cary’s response to being hurt made sense, but that really should’ve been shown in some other way. Kalinda’s response made no sense whatsoever.

See, I’m not planning to watch season 6. I just feel like I’ve wasted 5 years being invested in characters and relationships who were doomed to be ruined in the end by those writers.I don’t care about what they’ve in store for season 6. I simply don’t care because they’ve completely screwed up every thing I cared about. I think Robert and Michelle King knew what they’re doing with that scene. And the reason they did it even if the knew what they’re doing is because they don’t give a damn about those two characters or their fans. Maybe it didn’t cross the line but it was something completely out of character for Cary anyway. But they were too busy thinking about the next “shocking-edgy” moment to throw at us to care about what they’re doing to those characters.

They shouldn’t have done this to the character, to his fans and to the actor who plays him (because there’s now way they didn’t know how that would have affected baddly his fandom). And I don’t think there’s something they can do it now to make up for it. Nor I think they give a damn about it, sincerely.

Heh, you were writing this at the same time I was complaining about it on twitter. I definitely agree with the writers going for something “shocking” or “edgy” over caring about how it actually affects the characters. I don’t see how they could do anything with these characters in season 6 that would make sense. Cary’s not going to want to work with Kalinda, and I can’t see why she would want to be around him. Alicia already wasn’t interacting with Kalinda, and then Alicia got to watch Kalinda sleep with someone for her own purposes and not care who she hurt, which is what Kalinda did to Alicia when Kalinda slept with Alicia’s husband. I can’t image Alicia being any happier with Kalinda being around than Cary would.

So they’ve set up a scenerio which is the opposite of what I would want to watch, one where Kalinda either doesn’t interact with most of the main cast or only does so in a negative way. They use the same storyline with her over and over again, it never goes anywhere or means anything.

As for Cary, they’ve set him up to be involved in seasons before and never done anything with it, I can’t image that changing. The Good Wife: the show where the writers never learn from their mistakes.

And I was complaining on twitter too, LOL! The show where the writers never learn from their mistakes is the perfect definition for them.

I think what they’ve in store for Cary is not better than what they’ve in store for Kalinda. I think they set everything to have Diane and Alicia to gang on him next season. And Kalinda will be part of Diane’s team, no doubt, since she cares so much about him and about what he thinks that she didn’t even consider if he wanted that merge but she just aligned on Diane’s position about the all thing. 

And I want to share with you a bunch  of things that Kings said about season 6 ( I don’t know if you still mind about spoilers since you’re giving up with the show, but I want to warn you anyway…SPOILERS) mostly about C/K  and Cary’s role to prove you that 

TV Guide Magazine: Now that Cary knows how Kalinda (Archie Panjabi) uses him for information, is this the end of their sexual relationship?
Robert King:
That’s a very good question. We love their relationship, so probably not.  Can they hook up and not let it emotionally play on them? We’re going to see if that’s true.

. And that’s pure crap. Emotionless sex is exactly what I look forward for them next season. Yeah.

TV Guide Magazine: Would Cary (Matt Czuchry) vote her in, considering his fractious history with her?
Robert King:
That’s one of the problems. Cary’s concern is that Diane has never respected him the way she’s respected Alicia.
Michelle King:
Welcome to Season 6!

- And since they think Diane’s is God’s gift to humanity, I suppose that he’s not entlited to think so even if she used her Friday’s girl to manipulate him. Speaking of other things completely out of character. 

Zap2it: Is Diane leaving Lockhart/Gardner for Florrick/Agos a direction you always knew the show would go once you were faced with writing out Josh Charles’ character Will?
Robert King: We knew that it was going to be Diane joining Alicia, we just didn’t know how. Some of our decisions are based on what casting we can get. We knew it would be a threat internally with Diane, but we didn’t know where it would come from. We didn’t know if we would get [Michael J. Fox] or Martha Plimpton or one of our other lovely go-to villains.

Michelle King: There’s an odd trio now with Diane, Cary and Alicia and that causes even more problems. I don’t think Diane respects Cary as much and Cary doesn’t really like Diane, and Cary’s worried that the two women will gang up on him, so all those things start flying. 

- AKA they definitely will end up gang up on him because they’re strong women, and that show is about strong women, and they’re always cool even when they exploite their coworkers’ intimacy, and so let’s justify every punch on Cary’s face with this because he’s a fucking damn MAN. Said that Diane always had a soft spot for Cary and I did enjoy their dynamics back in the days and reading what Kings think about those two make me think they really can’t write properly about those characters anymore since they don’t seem to remember where they came from. 

TVLINE | The other product of the eavesdropping that surprised me was Cary being so surprised to hear that Kalinda would use their relationship to extract intel for Lockhart-Gardner. How could he be so hurt when that dance between them has always been pretty clear? And can their relationship survive that revelation?
Michelle King: I don’t think it plays so much as surprise as mortification to have these things not only said aloud, but witnessed by your colleagues. That’s what really crashed upon Cary. Will their relationship continue in some way? Probably, but is there going to be less trust? Sure.
Robert King: One other thing that makes it hard on Cary is to have Diane talk about it, and this is a tool they have had at their disposal. It’s one thing if Kalinda and Cary know they’re using each other. It’s another thing to have it so boldly discussed in the [Lockhart-Gardner] boardroom: “Oh, we’ve used this technique before, manipulating Cary.” Whether Cary and Kalinda can survive is a really good question. It’s a relationship we enjoy, but one of the things we found with relationships on our show is, when they’re too close to happiness for too long, they actually become tedious, and they kind of turn into gray. It’s like a salt that’s lost its taste.

- Let’s forget that seems a carbon copy of what we have already seen that season (something we didn’t enjoy), but when exactly did Cary and Kalinda get close to felicity?  See, they don’t even know what they’re talking about because they don’t have absolutely idea of what do with them.

Wow, a lot of that stuff the writers said is so insane I don’t even know where to start. Neither Cary nor Kalinda has enjoyed anything close to happiness with a personal relationship. Especially in the case of Kalinda, who’s had one awful relationship after another. That response really highlights one of my main problems with the writers: they don’t understand that not everything has to be contensious, everyone doesn’t have to be at everyone’s throats all the time. There is absolutely no reason for a personal relationship between Cary and Kalinda to be so nasty and negative. Neither one is the center of the show, they’re both side characters, their relationship doesn’t need to be a constant source of drama. They need to never do drama with Kalinda’s relationships again. Really, that is one of the things they should’ve learned after the Nick fiasco. There is no reason for it. Reading what the writers think is really nausiating.

"Can they hook up and not let it emotionally play on them?" Are you fucking kidding me? That’s why their sex scenes in season 5 didn’t work - there was no emotion behind them. Oh my God. What is wrong with these writers? Why do they think emotionless sex is even remotely appealing???? I would watch Cary and Kalinda in a relationship with each other where they cared about one another or either of them in a relationship with another person where they cared about that person. I am not interested in the sort of awfulness these writers are talking about. 

I suppose they go for emotionless sex because it didn’t require any writing talent to do it. They just need to put them in a bed. End of the story. Writing about those two and their emotions instead would require good scripts, something I don’t think those writers are able to do.

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gretamaya:

gretamaya:

Almost none of the commentary I’ve read on The Good Wife season 5 finale has talked about Kalinda’s thoughts and feelings, which just highlights how little effort the show put into showing her thoughts and feelings. She was just a prop to be pimped out by Diane and abused by Cary,…

I agree that the writers needed to show that Cary was hurt and upset, and that was where that scene came from. But The Good Wife doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The writers chose to show Cary’s hurt and anger in a way that’s over-done and poorly-done. Sexual violence/aggression toward women is often something shows fall back on when they need to show a male character being ‘edgy’ or ‘dark’. It’s a culmination of terrible writing decisions - the writers never showed their relationship as anything other than sexual, leaving them no other way to show Cary’s anger. Kalinda’s response struck me as terribly off - you’re right in saying that’s not how sex worked between them, but she didn’t know what was going on or why he flipped out like that, yet she took no steps to protect herself. Cary’s response to being hurt made sense, but that really should’ve been shown in some other way. Kalinda’s response made no sense whatsoever.

See, I’m not planning to watch season 6. I just feel like I’ve wasted 5 years being invested in characters and relationships who were doomed to be ruined in the end by those writers.I don’t care about what they’ve in store for season 6. I simply don’t care because they’ve completely screwed up every thing I cared about. I think Robert and Michelle King knew what they’re doing with that scene. And the reason they did it even if the knew what they’re doing is because they don’t give a damn about those two characters or their fans. Maybe it didn’t cross the line but it was something completely out of character for Cary anyway. But they were too busy thinking about the next “shocking-edgy” moment to throw at us to care about what they’re doing to those characters.

They shouldn’t have done this to the character, to his fans and to the actor who plays him (because there’s now way they didn’t know how that would have affected baddly his fandom). And I don’t think there’s something they can do it now to make up for it. Nor I think they give a damn about it, sincerely.

Heh, you were writing this at the same time I was complaining about it on twitter. I definitely agree with the writers going for something “shocking” or “edgy” over caring about how it actually affects the characters. I don’t see how they could do anything with these characters in season 6 that would make sense. Cary’s not going to want to work with Kalinda, and I can’t see why she would want to be around him. Alicia already wasn’t interacting with Kalinda, and then Alicia got to watch Kalinda sleep with someone for her own purposes and not care who she hurt, which is what Kalinda did to Alicia when Kalinda slept with Alicia’s husband. I can’t image Alicia being any happier with Kalinda being around than Cary would.

So they’ve set up a scenerio which is the opposite of what I would want to watch, one where Kalinda either doesn’t interact with most of the main cast or only does so in a negative way. They use the same storyline with her over and over again, it never goes anywhere or means anything.

As for Cary, they’ve set him up to be involved in seasons before and never done anything with it, I can’t image that changing. The Good Wife: the show where the writers never learn from their mistakes.

And I was complaining on twitter too, LOL! The show where the writers never learn from their mistakes is the perfect definition for them.

I think what they’ve in store for Cary is not better than what they’ve in store for Kalinda. I think they set everything to have Diane and Alicia to gang on him next season. And Kalinda will be part of Diane’s team, no doubt, since she cares so much about him and about what he thinks that she didn’t even consider if he wanted that merge but she just aligned on Diane’s position about the all thing. 

And I want to share with you a bunch  of things that Kings said about season 6 ( I don’t know if you still mind about spoilers since you’re giving up with the show, but I want to warn you anyway…SPOILERS) mostly about C/K  and Cary’s role to prove you that 

TV Guide Magazine: Now that Cary knows how Kalinda (Archie Panjabi) uses him for information, is this the end of their sexual relationship?
Robert King:
That’s a very good question. We love their relationship, so probably not.  Can they hook up and not let it emotionally play on them? We’re going to see if that’s true.

. And that’s pure crap. Emotionless sex is exactly what I look forward for them next season. Yeah.

TV Guide Magazine: Would Cary (Matt Czuchry) vote her in, considering his fractious history with her?
Robert King:
That’s one of the problems. Cary’s concern is that Diane has never respected him the way she’s respected Alicia.
Michelle King:
Welcome to Season 6!

- And since they think Diane’s is God’s gift to humanity, I suppose that he’s not entlited to think so even if she used her Friday’s girl to manipulate him. Speaking of other things completely out of character. 

Zap2it: Is Diane leaving Lockhart/Gardner for Florrick/Agos a direction you always knew the show would go once you were faced with writing out Josh Charles’ character Will?
Robert King: We knew that it was going to be Diane joining Alicia, we just didn’t know how. Some of our decisions are based on what casting we can get. We knew it would be a threat internally with Diane, but we didn’t know where it would come from. We didn’t know if we would get [Michael J. Fox] or Martha Plimpton or one of our other lovely go-to villains.

Michelle King: There’s an odd trio now with Diane, Cary and Alicia and that causes even more problems. I don’t think Diane respects Cary as much and Cary doesn’t really like Diane, and Cary’s worried that the two women will gang up on him, so all those things start flying. 

- AKA they definitely will end up gang up on him because they’re strong women, and that show is about strong women, and they’re always cool even when they exploite their coworkers’ intimacy, and so let’s justify every punch on Cary’s face with this because he’s a fucking damn MAN. Said that Diane always had a soft spot for Cary and I did enjoy their dynamics back in the days and reading what Kings think about those two make me think they really can’t write properly about those characters anymore since they don’t seem to remember where they came from. 

TVLINE | The other product of the eavesdropping that surprised me was Cary being so surprised to hear that Kalinda would use their relationship to extract intel for Lockhart-Gardner. How could he be so hurt when that dance between them has always been pretty clear? And can their relationship survive that revelation?
Michelle King: I don’t think it plays so much as surprise as mortification to have these things not only said aloud, but witnessed by your colleagues. That’s what really crashed upon Cary. Will their relationship continue in some way? Probably, but is there going to be less trust? Sure.
Robert King: One other thing that makes it hard on Cary is to have Diane talk about it, and this is a tool they have had at their disposal. It’s one thing if Kalinda and Cary know they’re using each other. It’s another thing to have it so boldly discussed in the [Lockhart-Gardner] boardroom: “Oh, we’ve used this technique before, manipulating Cary.” Whether Cary and Kalinda can survive is a really good question. It’s a relationship we enjoy, but one of the things we found with relationships on our show is, when they’re too close to happiness for too long, they actually become tedious, and they kind of turn into gray. It’s like a salt that’s lost its taste.

- Let’s forget that seems a carbon copy of what we have already seen that season (something we didn’t enjoy), but when exactly did Cary and Kalinda get close to felicity?  See, they don’t even know what they’re talking about because they don’t have absolutely idea of what do with them.

Here you are the big closure of the big mockery that was F/A. So unexpected.

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TGW 5x20: Alicia & Cary (being caring and kind of bossy!)

Being completely wasted and kind of plotless. While running for being completely screwed up in the finale, of course.

3 May 2014
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A Cary sneak peek just means that the sneak peek is the only Cary we got through the entire episode. 

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Ok,

hellyeahmattczuchry:

So I heard something about the season finale taking Cary and Alicia in a direction they’ve never been before, and that it surprised both of them. What possible direction could that be? They’ve already done the enemies thing. Now they are partners. What’s left? Please dear god don’t say romantic. That would be the one thing that could make me stop watching, all due respect to Matt and his work.

What do you all think is going to happen?

When I read “They found this new level [in their relationship]” I thought: “Are they going to kiss? Because that’s the only thing they never did”. Otherwise I don’t see how they can reach new level in their relationship, because, like you said, they’ve been already rivals, frenemies, enemies, friendly collegues and now partners so what can it be new about them?.Maybe just mutual respect and esteeme, and equal weight in the firm with Alicia being supportive for Cary and on his side for once. But then I realized it’s Robert King who’s talking. So probably he’s overtalking about something less complicated (and less interesting): they’ll screw over their relationship in the finale. Mostly they’ll let Cary playing the conniving role in the process.

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moooshacollins:

like yeah I would love to see Alicia and Diane join forces to take on David Lee and Louis Canning because both those guys are pieces of shit and L A D I E S kicking ass is always a good thing but why does Cary have to be left out of this equation like LOL LET’S JUST CONTINUE IGNORING A PRINCIPLE CHARACTER LIKE WE HAVE FOR THE PAST FOUR SEASONS

the end of last season was so exciting with cary and alicia being besties and the epitome of a respectful 100% platonic male/female partnership! and  taking a risk! and going out on their own! and being the new will and diane!! and now it’s like LOL ABOUT THAT

To  be honest about it, it has been a BIG LOL all the season. Since episode 5 it was clear that storyline was just another way to resurrect Alicia and Will dynamic. That storyline was never really, not for a damn second, about Cary. It was about Will, Diane and even about Kalinda (in its weird way). But not about Cary. Cary was mostly used like a tool to give other characters their kickass moments and storylines. Exactly like the previous seasons. F/A was a joke in terms of Cary storyline. 

And I agree that they could have made Cary part of that kick ass squad at least. Instead It’s like they can’t have those women to kick ass without diminish Cary’s character. And I don’t get it. He’s the only other male character those writers try constantly to diminish or dim.

If you’re going to start a petition I’ll sign it ;)

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A MERGE! So unexpected! So genial! And Cary’s character screwed up in the process! So fresh and so new!

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